Shock, Horror...
Read all about it: http://strikehold.wordpress.com/2009/12 ... amouflage/
maple-leaf
Fri, 25/11/2011 - 23:34
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DPM gets ditched - UK adopts new pattern designed with Crye
Great article mate,love the new Multi-Terrain Pattern.
Dino68
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hmm, not sure about this. Will have to wait and see what it looks like as a uniform. will they be changing the cut or keep with the same one just in a new pattern? I do like the fact that we have our own version of multi cam though with a hint of DPM so we wont be the same as the US when they finally go over to Multi cam after UCP delta gets dumped
redeye83
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You'd think in 'this day and age' there'd be the option to have a randomly generated printing process (within certain parameters of course) to give a less uniform result.
Any fixed pattern, by it's very defenition, is going to be less effective than it should/could be, surely?
Doc
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well all i will say is the 95 kit was only totally issued by 1998, and only rushed through for the pending Kosovo conflict in which if the serbs stood firm would have shown us that our 90's issue kit that failed in iraq, was a waste of time trying to evolve like the US one uniform for all, "Lack of funds"
so we deployed to iraq with green cam nets, green bedford trucks and dpm 95 uniforms. i had 20 rounds for my rifle and 18 round for my browning pistol, "Lack of funds"
the fact that by telic 10 uniforms are being pushed through, like all the fastballs.
we have no funds to mass roll out this new uniform, the navy and raf will get it first as in all case's Navy are the senior service so get all respect of priority even if its wrong.
RAF budget's are able to allow their ground crew to look nice,
Army well the movers and sport and pasttime loadies at the docks will be looking nice,
the budget for aircraft carriers and 22 chinooks is closing RAF Conningsby, so watch the budget in April and see if the silver haired black eyebrowed moneybags lets the funding be released,
Viper are probably allover the pattern like a tramp on a bag of chips.
to those that need it i hope it happens ASAP
to the airsoft geardo's its gonna be expensive as TA and cadets will be wanting the kit early, pushing webtex/viper and silvermans prices to a premium
well i'll will sell my DPM/DDPM but never my webbing, bergan and helmet, 3 things that the HM Forces got perfect.
i'll keep my messtin order though
Nutty
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I
will never pretend to know what I'm talking about when it comes to this
sort of thing but from my civvi point of view there's something very
very wrong about that. The Americans' war and the Brits were sent in
with that little and out of date equipment. Bit of an eye opener
really...little bit disturbing to.
Well I hope this new kit gets
pushed in quickly as possible. Looks to me like it's well overdue.
Multicam works and I say good on the Brit forces for noticing. Lets hope
the funds are there to get it where it counts.
As for
airsoft...I won't be buying the kit anytime soon. I just invested in a
nice DPM loadout and enjoyed the peanut prices. Perhaps in 10 years time
when this stuff is cheap surplus I may think about it
Roxy
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Nooooooooooooo! Multicam is naf what are they thinking of.
Compo
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Just seen the new camo on the news. Cant really see the DPM in it but I guess you will have to put it next to normal Multi Cam to notice.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8422942.stm
redeye83
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I quite like it. :D
rapid
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Photos released by the MoD today - you can clearly see that it is superior to Woodland DPM:
http://strikehold.wordpress.com/2009/12 ... -uniforms/
maple-leaf
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Ahhh man........... and i wont have to pay for it, sweet...................
Coley
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Looking good.
rapid
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So your the bloke to speak to about a cheap set then?
Dino68
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The
pattern for our camo was designed with help from Crye, if it works for
the guys out there great. But can you stop quoting things as fact; you
have no idea how UCP Delta is getting on and by all intensive purposes
its working better in the areas its fielded (some of which are terribly
different from Helmand and what the Brits have faced). But like me your a
civilian so your guessing, keep your sweeping generalisations to
yourself or mark them as *imho*
Kerberos
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Dino68 wrote:
Coley wrote:Ahhh man........... and i wont have to pay for it, sweet...................
So your the bloke to speak to about a cheap set then? :lol:
Cheap set! Yeah right the MoD's annual budget is about to hit a 20% cut next Tax Year it will be issued sparingly starting with Operations and Training first no doubt, it will take some time before excess and scrap kit starts to come through. Coley will know more obviously being the logistics tradesman and all.
I reckon a replica kit will be on sale soon though, the copycat cam makers wont hang around on this one. In fact probably release replica kit before the services even have it issued. The only problem I can see is that if it becomes popular everyman and his dog is going to rock up at skirmishes with it on until the novelty wears off of course, yawn how original will that be.
Compo
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Compo wrote:The only problem I can see is that if it becomes popular everyman and his dog is going to rock up at skirmishes with it on until the novelty wears off of course, yawn how original will that be.
A bit like the original multicam in that respect? :P
These fads come and go.
Angel
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Having seen the palette used for the new camo, I don't see why the MoD could not have gone back to the '66 colour scheme. Oh, of course anything that went before was obviously rubbish, so they thought that blowing millions of pounds on consultants, etc, would be the way forward. The stuffed shirts at MoD must think that we were all born yesterday.
I'll probably have a bit more of a rant before too long.
Tiny22
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Owen likes this
Compo
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Nigel likes this lots
Fluffy Bunny
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Okay - I'll play Devil's Advocate:
DPM has undergone a number of tweaks over the years in order to "improve" it. The original '66 Pattern used a 4-colour pallette - including black, a quite "yellow" shade of khaki and a rather "red" shade of brown. (unless I'm mistaken). The shapes / pattern size was also quite large and basic.
MTP uses a 7-colour pallette consisting of more natural-looking tones, and the pattern / shape design is smaller and more disruptive. So, in theory it should work better - and indeed when you see it in situ it does appear to work better.
Sorry Ross. ;-)
maple-leaf
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Clearly superior in that particular location, yes
I'd like to see that shot taken in woodland
Doc
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No need to apoligize, Lawrence. I put up my (rather jaded) opinion on the matter. In the words of Dirty Harry Calaghan: "Opinions are like ass-holes....everbody has one" :lol:
To be mildly serious, over tha past few years Brit DPM has become darker and darker to the point of losing a lot of its' effectiveness - in fact, it stands out like a dog's todger. My point about the '66 pattern DPM is that it seems that thinking on colours for camo uniforms seems to have almost gone full circle.
I do agree that DPM does have quite a large pattern, but with modern graphics packages, surely it would have been possible to differentially scale the pattern over various areas of the overall pattern.
Still, the decision has been made, for good or ill. As long as the new pattern works, that's the point, really. The real question is: will the new uniforms appear on the front line before or after the new Chinooks that have been ordered?
Tiny22
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I think the point of the camo is it will work alright in most places. Not as good as an area specific one may be.
It's
the concept of soldiers move from different terrain all the time (the
point made in the story on the news about this pattern). So although it
isn't the best woodland pattern it may well be the best pattern if
you're moving straight from greenery into desert. In my opinion it's a
fantastic concept, I would be more reasured that i'm going to be
reasonably subtle in most places than think "if i leave these trees I'm
going to stick out like a sore thumb".
Multicam does appear to
work well, I nearly stepped on a poor lad the other day wearing it
whilst laying next to some logs whilst at a Finmere game. However I for
one have never been to afghan so I'm just speculating and restating what
I've seen on the news.
Roxy
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It had to be done. Afgan isnt going away. Desert DPM no good in Helmand, to green, Woodland DPM, to dark.
It was always coming, the woodland contract finished at least a year ago, i think i told a few of you guys.
If it helps the boys on the frontline stop sticking out like dog bits its got to be worth it.
Coley
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Here Here Coley.
rapid
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Anyone sporting any replica kit yet?
rapid
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I've seen a few people in the wider airsoft community away from GASS get hold of the issue stuff but they've mostly been slated for getting hold of kit that's barely made it to afghan....
I reckon it'll be a fair while before any reproductions will be made although you would think viper would be all over it by now really
Roxy
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Cheers roxy.
rapid
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I was one of the luck few who got issued MTP in my regiment. I wore it on operation first encounter. I can now say with confidence in my opinion the camouflage is just not expectable for woodland . In woodland it is just plain ineffective. In my opinion the colouring is just too bright. It really needs to be dulled down. In the end I actually changed into greens. I believe mtp still needs work and readjusting.
There is also something just not right about wearing it with black boots
warldy
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I
think its just designed for scrubland and mixed areas really, they
admitted in an official MOD article when it came out that dpm was better
in woodland and ddpm was better in the desert.
Join ussssss.... Join the dissenters....
Still
looks the same as Multicam/sham to me, even after having the
differences pointed out repeatedly. Someone at the top is a US army
fanboy, especially with the plans to start wearing it US style.
Jonah
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Already being worn that way as the "Yankee Cut" is now issue.
I'll be wearing the godforesaken stuff next year! (Yankee Cut)
I only wore my MTP on the plane and back on my last det, as soon as i landed, DDPM all the way!!!!!!
Coley
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The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke
How long until the scrap the beret and replace it with the american cap :/
warldy
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You mean they haven't put that in the SRO's yet? ^_^
Just you wait..
Jonah
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Cap already issued with kit aswell as Boonie.
Coley
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Awesome, does it also come with US flag patches and rank tabs?
Jonah
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if it were possible to like comments I would like the one above ;). I actually quite like the change in the cut of the uniform. Training with the local rifles regiment in their pre deployment training I found it to provide good coherence with the new ballistic protection system.
I assume the caps are simply a substitution to the beret not a replacement? I wouldn't think removing the beret would go down very well
warldy
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The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke